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Ken (speyday) Crowne · Adult Joined: 09 Aug 2004 Posts: 97

Pinners,

Since I haven't gotten a lot of time on the water lately, my learning curve kinda stopped since last fall......................but I got to visit the rapids a couple of times, and got some great instruction that has me re-energized that I CAN DO THIS!

You can too........a lot of the new pinners I meet are quickly ridding of it on ebay...keep the faith.....it works!

Here's the link: www.anglersinternational.com/shotting.htm

Everyone will argue about shotting patterns, but here the "whys" are kinda explained nicely. A simple guy like me likes the pretty pictures, too!

Now for the tip:
A lot of beginning casters vow to never do any other casting than off the side. The big disadvantage is line twist after a few hours.....and that twist makes more friction thru the guides=shorter and shorter casts.

Place one of those tiny micro swivels (blackbird and raven make em) ABOVE your float, and the problem is 100% eliminated. Also, NEVER use anything other than round or oval shot.....dont use the water gremlins with the wings.

Another tip: I almost $#%$#% when i doubled my casting distance using this simple technique at the Soo a few weeks ago. When casting off the side, I pivoted my reel 90 degrees counterclockwise, so it was no longer hanging down, but potisioned horizontally.... instead of sideways. I was watching one of the pro's do it and watched him carefully......he didn't even realize he was doing it; but he was absolutely CRANKING em out!

The line sings off the reel SO much easier (for me anyway). I was making 100 foot casts effortlessly!

Good luck!

Ken SPEYDAY

Defjam · Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 5:30 pm Post subject: C-Pinnin' and Contentment

You absolutely must learn the spinning side cast if you wish to tackle the line twist issue completely. I was a plane old side caster when I first started pinning (not too long ago). Learning and mastering the spinning side cast has eliminated the line twist issue.

I am not sure how adding a swivel on top of the float before the terminal tackle will eliminate line twist. Maybe you could explain how this gets rid of the twist that is produced at reel level on the line? I am a bit confused or I am not picturing what your attempting to suggest?

Defjam

Pinner · Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 10:44 pm Post subject: swivel

Everthing will create some amount of line twist, Casting off the side = more line twist that you can shake a stick at. Any split shot with "wings" ex, removable shot will spin in current = lots of twist. Even though your float is smooooth on the outside and round it still spins to some dergree in the water = nothing to really worry about. And yes even you bait will spin in the water causing some twist. By adding a small swival above your float it lets your float, shot and bait "twist, spin," whatever you want to call it, all spin as ONE without twisting your mainline. If your learn to cast off the bottom of the reel "wallis cast" you will virtually eliminate 99% of your twist, without useing any swivals at all. Also i take off 20-30 yards of line everytime before i go fishing, and if i notice i am getting some during the day ther goes another 20-30 depending how annoyed i get with it LOL. Hope this helps, Pinner

Eric · Lunker Joined: 06 Mar 2004 Posts: 277

I started out using 2 barrel swivels and trust me, it didn't eliminate line twist. Nothing I've tried so far has...guess it's time to learn the Wallis, or at least learn to do it without a ton of shot Wink

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Ken (speyday) Crowne · Adult Joined: 09 Aug 2004 Posts: 97

Good comments all, I have taken two outings with the same setup, and fished all day without any twist. Maybe I just got lucky. I was using siglon F.

Maybe the third time will bite me and I will have to peel off some line. Honestly, I think Id rather use those dinky swivels and peel off some line than learn the wallace cast. Especially if Ive got 10 feet plus of line between float and fly.
TL,

speyday

GT · Smolt Joined: 24 Mar 2004 Posts: 41 Location: London

If I may add, straight side cast is good way for those who want to quickly get out and start catching fish. Wallis casting is the best way to keep the twisting minimal. I have yet to master the Wallis with great accuracy although distance is improving. Swivels are to each, there own. I use only one below the float connecting my 'shot line' to my main line. It's only to save those expensive floats. For some reason ( knock on wood) this works for me. My best fishing mate uses the swivel above and below but side casts. We both still encounter the odd birds'nest but there is one extra step we do.

Upon retrieving the fly/roe/worm, we let the bait hang for a few second in the air. Try this and you will see your bait spin around. This is similiar to taking the phone off the receiver and watch it spin.

Can't guarantee this will solve your twisting issue as there are many reasons why the line twists.

Cheers,

GT