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hogmaster

I hear that the funding for the tribal police in michigan (that patrol the amount of nets) is being cut. This meaning that the indians may net fish this year without regulation. If this is true then it's just one more issue that will impact the amount of salmon and steelhead in our rivers in the spring and fall. I'm all for catch and release about 95% of my fish are. It's when I catch a fish and want to keep it, and I have some guy that voted for Granholm in turn voting for the new director of the DNR, tell me that I should be releasing that fish. Where are they when the funding is cut for things like the Tribal Police or where are they when the federal government is the only one that's killing the cormerant birds! Those are the issues that impact 100's of millions of fish a year(nothing compaired to the catch and kill river fisherman).
My main point is that an issue like this has a much greater impact on our fishery than if every river fisherman was catch and release only. One of those nets alone can do more damage in one week than 10 johnny violators in a year.

Blinky · Egg Joined: 09 Jun 2007 Posts: 3 Location: Twining, MI

Wow.....

I don't think that the DNR could go out and slaughter comorants without some serious repercussions. They are migratory therefore FEDERALLY protected.. If you want action, call the Feds. Believe me, we tried this spring, they said they didn't have the funding to do a study to see if they (comorants) impacted the fishery...

What does Granholm or the Director of the DNR have to do with treaty rights. These again are FEDERAL treaties that allow Natives to net. I'm not sure, but would be willing to bet, that the enforcement is part of the FEDS funding package to the Native tribes, and subsequently got cut.

Personally I don't catch and release only. I only keep them when they are EDIBLE. When they are up river doing their thing I don't consider them edible. I could care less if someone keeps fish. Although I get peeved when they are ripping apart beds on rivers that could support a significant amount of natural repo. That's just me though..

hogmaster · Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:47 am Post subject: Yeah I agree,

I agree that it pisses me off when the beds are getting ripped apart by 10 guys fishing 3 fish.
The federal government is killing the cormerant birds and have been. They have been taking boats out and shooting them for a couple years now. The state government will not support this, when you send Granholm a letter it endes up on some desk in the DNR and there is no state money to support what the feds are already doing.

The police that patrol the nets are not being funded, I think it's the direct duty of the DNR to protect the fishery that this could aid to destroy. The amount of nets allowed is not determined by the indians. The regulation of the nets is not federally funded, it's state. Do you believe that the DNR has no say in the amount of nets that the tribes are allowed to have? lol

The feds are killing the cormerants, but the state refuses to add any funding. Talk to the president of the Steelheaders club, they have been working to get state funding to kill these birds for three years now. The amount of funding by the feds has not been enough. I really don't feel like doing the research to prove this on here. I have been talking to the charters out of manistee and the steelheaders club about the cormerants. The points I've made on here are usually already known information.

If you think it's best to call the feds on these issues then do that. My point is that with all the debate over catch and release and little discussion on issues like this, that have a much greater impact. And if you do find some information that supports any of your claims let me know I would love to know who to write about these problems for sure!

I believe that state cuts are the reason why so many sportsman issues are being ignored. And people that think it has nothing to do with Granholm are just adding to the problem. Where is the 100 million in licensing fees that Granholm put in the general fund for 3years to go towards things like minority school funding. You don't think that money would help any of these money issues right now? You don't think that she owns the sportsman in this state any funding?

Queequeg · Alevin Joined: 18 Jun 2007 Posts: 10

Go fishing, quit bitching.

hogmaster · Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:15 pm Post subject:

I'm not bitching, just trying to find answers and solutions. But your right if the weather this week was better I would have been on the lake. I'll be on lk mich next week, so you won't have to hear this.

Blinky · Egg Joined: 09 Jun 2007 Posts: 3 Location: Twining, MI

hogmaster · Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 4:24 pm Post subject:

it rained 6 times in 3 days where I live and the wind was up to 40 mph a couple times too. I'm sure there was times you could fish but I'm glad I didn't trailer the boat this 4th! I saved it for the next couple of weeks. Blinky what boat do you fish from on the big lake? Are you in any tournaments this summer?

MPsteelheader · Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 5:28 pm Post subject:

Queequeg · Alevin Joined: 18 Jun 2007 Posts: 10

There was no time to google it, I was packing to go fishing, which, sorry to say, was rather unproductive. Went to the PM for two days...hot (the weather). Caught some decent trout around 9, got smoted during the mousing trip.

MPsteelheader · Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 12:25 am Post subject:

same here got lucky on friday night and got one of the last skamanias hanging around in close while the warm water was moving back in with the south winds. had a laugh sat. night up in GH. good times

BuzzFloatman · Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 11:29 am Post subject:

Got word last night a DOZEN new nets going in next week, up towards Frankfort.

Also, for some reason, the US has banned the import of Canadian Whitefish. Seems the Tribes pricing for Whitefish just went thru the roof..... Something smells rotten....

Oh well, no nets in Lake O Shocked

BK

Ron matthews · Lunker Joined: 21 Sep 2004 Posts: 236 Location: mich.

Canada has just issued a NO consumption on lk. whitefish-pcb levels have have gotten to a level They say No one should eat....
And the saga continues.

hogmaster · Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 12:04 pm Post subject:

I fished the Muskegon Salmon Shoot out this week. From 5 miles south of Muskegon up to 4 miles north of Whitehall which is about 14 miles away there are at least 9 nets. There is no question that there are more nets now than in the last 12 years since I've been fishing the big lake. Does any one know how many salmon get caught in the nets? I know they always seem to move the nets right around where the temp breaks set up for the salmon.

Why would Canada ban the white fish right now I thought the lake was getting cleaner.

Oh yeah, I also heard the fisherman in manistee were going to boycot the second manistee tournament this year because of the nets. so the tournament trail director Fred MacDonald gave the money back to the casino. I'm not sure if this is true but if it is that's one hell of a thing to do. Anyone who knows Fred should let him know how cool that was to do.

See you in Ludington!!!!

Mike Pajtas Jr.
Moby Chromer

Man of Steel · Fry Joined: 05 Mar 2006 Posts: 24

ChucknDuck · Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 5:48 pm Post subject:

I dont know if the feds are killing commerants but i know the state is doing as much as possible...including killing them. This is from the mouth of the biologist heading the operation. Maybe if you goin the michigan steelheaders they are very informative about the commerant issue