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admin · Site Admin Joined: 05 Mar 2004 Posts: 15

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Guys,

Just wanted to find out some opinions regarding Siglon F line for use on the pin. I've heard very mixed reports ranging from good all the way to poor. One intesting observation was from a friend that normally fishes 8# mainline on the Lake Erie tribs. He tried 8# Siglon and HATED it due to horrible line twist. On the recommedation of another friend, he gave the 12# Siglon a chance (which seems more like the diameter of standard 8-10# mono). He has used it a number of trips now...and LOVES it. Line twist hasn't been an issue in the slightest. Any other similar experiences?

ASM

Dredge · Fry Joined: 12 Mar 2004 Posts: 26 Location: Chicago

The Siglon series of lines are nice, they float great, but seem to break pretty easy and coil with smaller lb lines. They aren't as bulletproof as say P-line. If you're going to use the Siglon F lines, I would highly recommend going with the 12lb test. It's diameter is on the small side so don't worry about the line being too thick.

Another really hot line that people like is the Berkley IronSilk line. I have it on one of my float reels and it works fine so far. I have yet to test it under a full years worth of conditions from freezing cold to super hot.

I personally like using Ande. It's dirt cheap and works very well under all conditions. I also like using Camo line but only in the winter. There really is no "best" line out there. Fish what you're comfortable with and what you have confidence in.

Just my opinion...

steeliefreak · Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 7:25 pm Post subject:

Siglon floats great but like everybody else has said it breaks easy and has a thin diameter, so if you are going to try it buy it in a higher diameter than you would buy in say ironsilk. It is a line that I like until I start to get line twists then it is useless.

Eggsack · Lunker Joined: 26 Apr 2004 Posts: 214 Location: WV

I would like to weigh in on this issue. I am the US distibutor of Siglon F and all other lines made by Sunline. I would like to address the line twist issue. I have never used any line that does not get twists in it after fighting 20 to 30 steelhead a day. It has been my experience that twist is not a lines fault, but rather the user. If you have problems with line twist in any line, Siglon will be the same. One thing that most fisherman do not know is that all swivels are not equal. I have some swivels that when you put them under a load, say a fish pulling, they will not turn. How does that help line twist? I sell a swivel that turns under load up to its actual breaking point. The next time you use a swivel, have a friend pull on the line up to about 6lb or more and see if the swivel turns freely. My bet is it will not unless it is a bearing swivel which are very costly for our purposes. Some of them are $1.50 a piece. I have high quality roller swivels that work, but I am having a hard time selling them, because they are not Blackbirds or Spros.
As far as the line being "weak" It is true, 100%. Sunline labels it products under Japanese practice being it is Rated IGFA. Anyone who knows anything about IGFA is that the line can not break over the stated pound test and must break within 10% of the same. So the 6lb breaks at around 5.75 to 5.85. PLine 6lb breaks at close to 8lb.
When you shop and look at Siglon F, please know what diameter of a competitiors line you are using, and then buy the Siglon F that matches that diameter. You will find the Siglon F if purchased by diameter will outperform any other brand, I guarantee it. The other thing about Siglon F is that it is resin impregnated, that makes it durable and memory free, it also is UV resistant, not UV proof. So it will outlast any other Mono on the market as far as shelf or "car" life.
Leon Hanson is a huge proponent of Siglon F and all of Sunline's Fluorocarbons. He insists on using only the best. He has used Siglon F exclusively for years and would only use Siglon F on Pins. He has landed thousands of Salmon and steelhead on the line and can attest to its longevity. Mr. Hanson also has manufactured a centerpin and has metioned the use of Siglon in his instruction manual, a year before I began selling Siglon here.
If anyone would have any response to me my email is dougsmith@srtroutsupply.com.

Bow_buster · Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2004 3:15 pm Post subject: Siglon Line

What is your take on the resin impregnated Ashima line? Does it have the same properties as Siglon? I'm sure you're going to say Siglon is the best (since you are the distributor) but there are people on this board who would like an honest opinion. I don't think it would sway anyone from switching brands. I have a spool of Ashima I'm going to use for fishing during the summer months with my pin for carp, smallmouth and other fish. I've been considering the Siglon for my steelhead fishing but I haven't found the need for a floating line since I don't make the long drifts that might require a floating line. Just my two cents.

Bow Buster

steeliefreak · Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2004 4:40 pm Post subject:

Hey bowbuster I have used both of the flouros and have both of them in my vest at the present moment, to be honest I like both and think that they have around the same breaking strength for the diameter. The ashima might be alittle more abrasion resistant, but the siglon is more supple, have not noticed a big difference though.

Eggsack · Lunker Joined: 26 Apr 2004 Posts: 214 Location: WV

About the Ashima Question. I own all of the rights to the Ashima brand now and forever. Ashima in England went out of business in March of 2001. I purchased the rights and brand and most of the inventory they had left. This was a full year and a half before I knoew Siglon even existed. I love Ashima and all of the products we used to sale. For the future I am only going to sale Ashima Fluorocarbon 50M spools from 2lb to 12lb, and some of the Ashima hooks that are popular for Steelheaders. I have a Sisiter Ashima Company in the Netherlands that purchased the rights to the Ashima Carp hooks and Match hooks. So as for a Biased opinion, I feel that my opinion is backed only by the fact that I have spent my Parents retirement and my future inheritance in the fact the I have found and intend to sell the best products made on this planet.

I have fished Fluorocarbons made by all four manufacturers of the stuff. That is right there are only four Manfacturers of FLuocarbons. Why are there about 1,00 different brands? There aren't each company has about 3 to 5 grades of quality and then sold to companies around the world for private label distribution. Of all the brands sold in the USA today, NONE are of any companies best quality, except one, Ashima. When I start to sell Sunline's top quality Fluorocarbon leader it will be the best quality around. Right now we are trying to get packaging and other detaiols worked out so we can debut it in the fall.

As far as resin impregnated Ashima line, I have found one big difference between Ashima's and Siglon's and that is that the siglon lasts longer on the reel. I have fished the same 150 yards of Punk Siglon F 6lb on my reel since I received my first sample in Nov of 2002. It still breaks at just under 6lbs, floats good, not great, but good and it has a very high knot strentgh. I have hooked and landed over 2,00 trout in WV and PA in the past year and have only used up about 30 total yards, from retying or switching floats etc. So I speak from experience, and once I made my decision, I spent $30,000 to become the distributor of Siglon. Would you?

My business last year Grossed a little over $25,000. I believe that to be very good considering a company like Seaguar grossed somewhere close to $30 million. So if anyone's opinion has vlaidity it is mine, I have my entire financial future invested in the products I sale.

I also sell Drennan and Kamasan, by the way I am the only legitimate distributor of those in the US as well. And also I am working on Dismore's round cushion tin shot. I also sell Trabucco products from Italy, also a very high quality tackle manufacturer. Check out my site at www.srtoutsupply.com. It is going to be changing soon to be an informational site insted of a product listing site. I will future how to sections for Pinning and spinning to mimic a Pin. If anyone wants to contribute illustrations or pictures or video clips I will give full credit on the stuff and return to you some samples of new stuff as Sunline comes out with stuff.

I also want to be known that I value all feedback from buyers of my lines. But be aware that I do not take critisism until I know we are comparing apples to apples. Once we compare to equal products, if Sunlines stuff sucks, I will say it, I guarantee that as well. So far I have not found any better. And when I found people that argured one time that they found a better line from an X company, well I just informed them that Sunline made it anyway. You would absolutely be amazed at who actually makes other companies lines.

Thanks,
Doug Smith

Snowmonkey · Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2004 12:20 am Post subject: Reply to Eggsack...

Regarding your response about the user vs the line being responsible for line twist with the Siglon...

My buddy Dave has been float fishing for about 20 years, as I have. Of course, as we prefer the spinning side cast, we do get some degree of line twist with every line we've used. BUT...Dave experienced MUCH MORE significant line twist with the 8# Siglon than with other common lines that he's used (ie...Ande, Maxima, etc). I have heard another identical . from another float fishing veteran, as well. With that in mind, it appears that it's the lighter (8#) Siglon, and not the users, that is producing the increased line twist in this case.

ASM

Snowmonkey · Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2004 12:30 am Post subject: HOLY CR@P!!!

Eggsack,

From what you're saying here, it doesn't sound like anybody can buy ANY float fishing gear in the US w/out going through you and your company...LOL! Had to yank your chain about that one! BTW, I buy my Drennan floats direct from the UK (retail) and only end up paying about $1.50 US (including shipping). You'd be hard pressed to find them for anywhere in the US for less than even TWICE that price!!!

ASM

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Snowmonkey · Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2004 8:40 am Post subject: Hey Chromebuck...

Just to clarify on my end, my comments about Siglon are regarding the floating Siglon F as a mainline for floatfishing (not FC leader material). FC is NOT a good choice for a floatfishing mainline, of course, because it is denser than normal mono, sinks quickly, and defetats the purpose of float fishing. With that said, I use it often as leader material. Not to start an arguement with anybody...but I prefer plain ole affordable Seaguar. Also, interesting info about the longevity of FC in the environment...something about which I was unaware. Thanks for sharing.

ASM

Eggsack · Lunker Joined: 26 Apr 2004 Posts: 214 Location: WV

The article on Japanese silk is a very good one and I have that article and use it as a selling point. Three of the listed "manufacturers" buy there fluorocarbon from other companies. Mitsubishi is not mentioned. Kureha was mentioned in the article but not in the chart, which is seaguar. Kurhea makes almost half of all fluorocarbons any way and they manufacture all of the Japanese raw materials since they own the Japanese patent. And one of the companies I do not have any idea where they get theres from but they do not make it. As far as the enviromental aspect of these lines. Fluoros, last forever. I personally use less than 3 to four foot at a time, and I rarely use more than fifty meters in a year.
The one reply stated they would stick with good ole affordable Seaguar. That is fine but the prices on the Seaguar stuff is almost double that of Ashima and Siglon. Most of Seaguar's lines here come on 30M for roughly$7.95 to $9.95 a spool. Ashima is $10.00 for 50M.
As far as the Drennan's, you must have not purchased them lately, because the US exchange rate has fallen to the pound significantly over the past six months. right now if you bought a Drennan Loafer which is .99pence that converts to $1.86 US. Now as far as shipping you rarely pay less than 6 pounds from England if by Airmail. That is Over $10.00 US. So unless you buy them 60 at a time the price of shiping far outweighs the benefit. If you are not familiar with the US enviroment, we pay a 10% excise tax on wholesale prices here. That money goes to the goverment to help fund stocking programs, and very important other aspects of our US fishing programs. So when you buy from Engloand you contribute nothing and take away the benefit others are putting into our government. As far as prices, no one should be paying over $2.49 for any Drennan float. Gander Mountains in the Ohio PA and NY area sell them for that. Some of the other shops I sell to sells the float at $1.99 if you buy twelve total at one time. That is not twelve of one kind but twelve total. So my business is not responsible for what shops sell them for. But you as consumers should not pay over those prices for them.

If some can find me a better line than the ones I sell, I will sell them or try to sell them. In fluorocarbons, better can not be found. In nylon, none better can be found if you compare apples to apples. I have other lines from Sunline, Like Siglon V. It flaots, comes in regular collors, Clear, Moss Green and Gray. It is another awesome Centerpin line, but does not get the publicity, because it is hard to see in long drifts.

I am always searching for better stuff. I also strive to contribute to the communtiy with both money and time. I have done dozens of Seminars in Gander Mountains, and other small shops. I sponsor clubs like the Ohio Central Basin Steellheaders Club, North Coast Fly fishers, Kinzua Alleheny Walleye Association, Rod Builders Guild and others to be soon on my list. So as far as things to watch out for from me is make sure that if you are a member of any other organization that might get my attention, please let me know so I can be of assistance in someting.

For your information I already sold more than $50,00 this year. Siglon and Ashima products are just very easy to sell when comparing prices to benefit. I hope anyone that tries it evaluates it carefully, and if you do not like, do not buy it again. I just hope that iof you ever get a chance to see or fish with Leon Hanson, that you do not get upset when my Siglon products and him out fish you very badly.

steeliefreak · Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2004 2:02 pm Post subject:

Hey eggsack stick with your facts and not with what you just asume.

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